Swapping out the built-in ssd to a larger, non-minix one? Does it actually work?

RisingPhoenix expressed some concern about NVME-protocol versions and backwards compatibility.
The originators of the NVMe standards state, unequivocally, that all NVMe version are backwards compatible.
An NVMe 1.3 host/motherboard should be able to utilise an NVMe 1.4 M.2 disk.
 
RisingPhoenix expressed some concern about NVME-protocol versions and backwards compatibility.
The originators of the NVMe standards state, unequivocally, that all NVMe version are backwards compatible.
An NVMe 1.3 host/motherboard should be able to utilise an NVMe 1.4 M.2 disk.
Thank you for this investigation and for your incredible patience. I can finally test the Crucial P3 Gen 3 1TB drive tomorrow! I will report my findings.
 
Thank you for this investigation and for your incredible patience. I can finally test the Crucial P3 Gen 3 1TB drive tomorrow! I will report my findings.
Unfortunately, the fact that a standard requires an implementation to be backwards compatible with earlier versions is no absolute guarantee that any one specific implementation actually will be compatible....

BTW, were you planning on trying a Gen 4 NVMe drive, too??
 
Unfortunately, the fact that a standard requires an implementation to be backwards compatible with earlier versions is no absolute guarantee that any one specific implementation actually will be compatible....

BTW, were you planning on trying a Gen 4 NVMe drive, too??
I am writing this from my Z100-0db! Installation took a very long time. Windows update failed, and I followed your advice in other thread to run a Windows Update. Thank you for that. The update took about 2 hours though, definitely not fun. But I think I am set up now. I am very impressed with the temperature management of this machine. Right now it is at 45C. and the maximum temperature during the long installation was about 80C from what I see.

Tomorrow I will install the new drive (I already linked my Microsoft account to the license).

I don't plan on getting a Gen 4 NVMe drive just yet. I wanted to at least test that a different drive works, and I thought a Gen 3 was the most conservative approach.

By the way, it looks like user @ZeroInn already installed a 4TB NVMe drive, though he doesn't specify whether it was a Gen 3 or Gen 4.

 
I can confirm that my Crucial P3 1TB PCIe Gen3 (CT1000P3SSD8) works with no issue. When I opened the Z100 I was surprised to see that the aluminum block was unattached from the base (it was stuck on the thermal pad), because the person who assembled my Z100 hadn't tightened the two screws that attach the thermal block to the base of the case. Thankfully the two screws were there, so I just screwd them in.

I created a USB thumb drive with Windows 11 using the Microsoft tool. When I booted using that drive, the Z100 couldn't connect to the network, as the WiFi drivers weren't installed. Also, there was no apparent way to continue the installation. I had to hit Shift + F10, and then in the terminal window that opened, I did:
cd oobe
bypassnro.cmd
This makes the Z100 reboot, and then when you get to the Network screen there is an option to continue installation without connecting to the Internet.

After this, the installation completes and after booting into Windows 11, it is activated automatically. Also, Windows Update ran without issue. There are two drivers which need to be installed manually though, like detailed in the post below.


I installed HWInfo, and the CPU temperatures are very low (about 40C when idling, and less than 80C under load). It looks like PL1 is set to 6000mW and PL2 is set to 12000mW. I guess lowering PL2 further would lower the maximum temperatures even more. The Crucial NVMe is idling at around 47C, which I guess is good too.

So far I am very happy with this Z100-0db machine.(y):)
 
Congratulations, RisingPhoenix!

I do have a few questions.

1. You said "(I already linked my Microsoft account to the license)"..
I must be dense and/or demented, but I haven't the slightest idea what that means... Please explain! I've mostly managed to avoid OneDrive completely, and I'm thinking that is what you're talking about...
EDIT But now I found that you must be talking about having a login account which is an outlook account....
Is that it???
2. Did you do a new install on the new disk in situ or did you do a clone of the original disk to the new SSD?
 
Congratulations, RisingPhoenix!

I do have a few questions.

1. You said "(I already linked my Microsoft account to the license)"..
I must be dense and/or demented, but I haven't the slightest idea what that means... Please explain! I've mostly managed to avoid OneDrive completely, and I'm thinking that is what you're talking about...
EDIT But now I found that you must be talking about having a login account which is an outlook account....
Is that it???
2. Did you do a new install on the new disk in situ or did you do a clone of the original disk to the new SSD?
Thank you, n3mmr!

1. Yes, I have a Microsoft Account (with an Outlook email), and that is what I configure as my Administrator account. I have a retail copy of Windows 10 that I used on one of my Thinkpad machines, and I transferred it to a different Thinkpad machine just by deactivating the old machine and then activating the new one using my account. With a different type of license (the license for the Z100-0db) you can't transfer the license to a new machine, but at least if there is some kind of catastrophic issue, it is safer to have the license linked to your Microsoft account. I am not sure what kind of catastrophic issue could that be though, as I think the BIOS has the license embedded as well.

2. I actually did a new install of the new disk by using a USB Windows 11 boot disk that I created using what they call the Media Creation Tool.

This worked great, except that during setup I was unable to connect to Wifi, so I had to do the procedure I mentioned in my previous post, here.

This allowed me to do a minimal install without access to the network. Once I booted, I installed the WiFi drivers, which I just transferred to the Z100 using the same USB flash drive that I installed Windows 11 to. That driver is here: Intel WiFi Driver.

After this, I installed another driver for a Serial I/O Device which was showing without driver in Device Manager.

Windows 11 Updated without issue, and everything is working great.

Credit for the information about the drivers to @Wojtek.J who offered this information in this post. (y)

The Z100-0db is idling at the same temperature (or even a little lower) as a Raspberry Pi 4GB I had in an Argon Neo case, BTW. Quite nice.

I am not a power user, I simply use my computers for productivity and entertainment (but not modern games), and this machine is far more capable than the Thinkpad X230 I was using until now. And that Thinkpad X230 has served me well as a business machine. So I am quite pleased. :)

I hope this MINIX machine is as reliable (built with quality components) as the Thinkpad.
 
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You can look at this Amazon review, @n3mmr : Z100-0db Amazon review.

The reviewer claims to have installed a Crucial P5 Plus 2TB SSD in the machine, which is a Gen 4 drive. That should clarify the fact that this machine is capable of accepting a Gen 4 NVMe SSD drive in principle. Other question is whether specific drives might be incompatible for whatever reason. The Crucial P5 Plus 2TB advertises it is compatible with both Gen 3 and Gen 4, so there might be some specific cases where a Gen 4 is not compatible with a Gen 3 slot even when the standard says it should be.
 
You can look at this Amazon review, @n3mmr : Z100-0db Amazon review.

The reviewer claims to have installed a Crucial P5 Plus 2TB SSD in the machine, which is a Gen 4 drive. That should clarify the fact that this machine is capable of accepting a Gen 4 NVMe SSD drive in principle. Other question is whether specific drives might be incompatible for whatever reason. The Crucial P5 Plus 2TB advertises it is compatible with both Gen 3 and Gen 4, so there might be some specific cases where a Gen 4 is not compatible with a Gen 3 slot even when the standard says it should be.
Fascinating stuff, isn't it?

Thank you for testing and all!

I'm satisfied that putting, say, a Kingston Fury Renegade 2TB in a z100-0db will work, and I've started the proceedings with ordering an Asus TUF A1 disk cabinet.

P. S.
I'm a little bit concerned by two minor things:

Firstly, noone seems to try the supposedly direct way of swapping system disks by cloning the current disk.
Did you consider the clone-and-replace option?

Secondly, the activation key for the Minix W11 is stated to be a "digital key stored at M$ with the Microsoft admin account on your pc". I find that offensive: I want to have complete control.. but maybe I do? M$ isn't very clear on that.

Never mind!
I'll try a pure clone-and-replace approach first!
 
Fascinating stuff, isn't it?

Thank you for testing and all!

I'm satisfied that putting, say, a Kingston Fury Renegade 2TB in a z100-0db will work, and I've started the proceedings with ordering an Asus TUF A1 disk cabinet.
:)(y)

P. S.
I'm a little bit concerned by two minor things:

Firstly, noone seems to try the supposedly direct way of swapping system disks by cloning the current disk.
Did you consider the clone-and-replace option?

Secondly, the activation key for the Minix W11 is stated to be a "digital key stored at M$ with the Microsoft admin account on your pc". I find that offensive: I want to have complete control.. but maybe I do? M$ isn't very clear on that.

Never mind!
I'll try a pure clone-and-replace approach first!
I actually thought the alternate approach was superior, because that way I was sure to install a stock Windows 11 image and install the two missing drivers manually. But you can try the clone-and-replace approach and see if it works. I would create a Microsoft account with an outlook.com email and make sure you register that account as the Administrator account of your Z100-0db Windows 11 installation though, just in case you have an issue with the digital license.

I suppose that if you follow the cloning approach you can always install back the original NVMe drive.

Good luck with that!

BTW, I just installed Debian 12 in another partition (I like to dual boot, as Debian is my regular system, and I only use Windows for specific programs), and everything works perfectly. Installation was very quick, due to the fast (comparatively speaking) NVMe drive and system compared to older hardware (Thinkpad X230).
 
Even more fascinating!

One problem with the clone approach is the partitioning.
Automatic mode of most cloning software will fill the new larger disk, partitioning in the same proportion as the original disk.
Since the recovery and efi partitions needn't grow when the total disk space increases this is non-optimal.

I wonder what the optimal use of a much larger disk would actually be???

BTW, are you using a multiboot setup???
 
Even more fascinating!

One problem with the clone approach is the partitioning.
Automatic mode of most cloning software will fill the new larger disk, partitioning in the same proportion as the original disk.
Since the recovery and efi partitions needn't grow when the total disk space increases this is non-optimal.

I wonder what the optimal use of a much larger disk would actually be???

BTW, are you using a multiboot setup???
I am not sure how modern cloning software works, the last time I used it was about 20 years ago (Acronis TrueImage I believe it was called). The recovery and UEFI partitions are small enough that I don't think you should worry if their size is scalled proportionally. I personally prefer a cold install from a USB flash drive created with the Microsoft Media Creation Tool, though.

Yes, I have a dual booting system now. It is important that you first install Windows 11 and afterwards Linux. If you install Windows 11 after Linux it doesn't collaborate, and then you need to repair some options in the boot manager (or something like that).

The BIOS options for the Z100-0db are very full featured. Not only there is an option for the boot device order, but within the NVMe drive, if there is more than one boot entry point (in my case Windows 11 and the Debian boot manager), it lets you choose which one goes first. I have selected Debian, as from there it also gives you an option to boot into Windows (unlike Windows, which doesn't play nice as already mentioned.)
 
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The BIOS options for the Z100-0db are very full featured. Not only there is an option for the boot device order, but within the NVMe drive, if there is more than one boot entry point (in my case Windows 11 and the Debian boot manager), it lets you choose which one goes first. I have selected Debian, as from there it also gives you an option to boot into Windows (unlike Windows, which doesn't play nice as already mentioned.)
I seem to remember a tool for modifying the windows boot manager....?
 
I was able to use a 4 TB Samgsung 990 pro nvme drive in a Minix z100 zero db computer. I used the old Samgsung data migration tool which
worked fine to migrate the win11 operating system on the Foresee Nvme to the 990pro 4TB. The Drive works well with a 3536 seq1m read score and a 3455 write score on crystal disk mark 8.05 x64 . Not 4th gen put pretty good. I plan to use it to run a remote telescope in a dusty and buggy environment so a fanless computer was very important to me. I was able to get thru the windows update problem on this computer and on a backup Minix z100 zero db.
I could never get the Samgsung magician software to run on either minix computers . Even
though the computer and Nvme drive work well, I would like to use the Samgsung magician software to monitor my nvme drives and to check for firmware updates.

Has anyone been able to install the Samgsung magican software on a Minixz100 ZERO dB computer?
thanks,
jeff
 
I am the new owner of a MINIX Z100-0dB and delighted that it is truly silent. However, this thread pertains to upgradability of the SSD and I can vouch for the fact I have successfully installed a Crucial P3 Plus 4TB M.2 PCIe Gen4 NVMe. I was actually surprised to discover Minix claim on the package box that upgrading to 4TB is an option which does not seem to gel with the doubts about this lingering in the ether.
 
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